Friday, May 11, 2007
I just don't get Ruby on Rails
In addition to all of the cool toys (robots and helicopters) shown at the Java Toy Show (general session of JavaOne 2007 on Friday morning), a NetBeans guy from Sun got up and did a demo of Netbeans 6.0 and JRuby on Rails (a scripting-languaged based web application framework). He created a Ruby on Rails application, created persistence classes from a database using a wizard, created a simple web page showing the database information, and ran it all from within the IDE. Judging by the audience reaction, people were impressed. My reaction, on the other hand, was, as we used to say as kids, "big whoop." Haven't we been doing this in JDeveloper for, I dunno, 8 years or something?
Subscribe to:
Post Comments (Atom)
12 comments:
Yeah, I don't get it either. It's like the whole Java IDE wars, JDev has many drag n drop facilities, wizard, editors and diagrammers that none of the others come close to matching in numbers, one of the best JSF implementations, yet Oracle's IDE doesn't get much of a show in. Is it the old Oracle-is-a-database-company bias, or the Oracle-is-proprietary/not-open-source bias, or I learnt to program with Netbeans/Eclipse/whatever so I'm not changing now game?
Chris,
I think it's the "Oracle is proprietary" bias. Ironically, the last presentation I attended at Java One ("The top 10 ways to make your application unreliable and unscalable") - one of the top ways was "avoid using any proprietary features" - only use "standard" stuff, avoid "lock-in." What a bunch of hooey.
Some of it is not wanting to re-learn/re-train the fingers. It takes me quite a long time to get used to an environment and get it customized to my liking. Sometimes its just the situation you are in. I consult and some clients mandate the use of a particular IDE for all their development.
"JDev has many drag n drop facilities, wizard, editors and diagrammers that none of the others come close to matching in numbers"
Is it at all meaningful that JDeveloper has a large number of features? I certainly don't find it meaningful. The editor has been really lacking for a long time in comparison to something like Eclipse or IDEA (though I have no looked at the latest release). Who cares about wizards and drag-and-drop if you can't get basic coding editing right?
The "big deal" about Rails (at least one of the big deals) is that dealing with the database is easier than any of the ORM tools available for Java. Not that ActiveRecord is the best fit for all situations but its very compelling and there is no equivalent in Java. Django in Python has the same thing. No..you haven't been doing the same in JDeveloper for 8 years or something. Java, unfortunately, doesn't touch Ruby/Python for sheer speed of development.
"The editor has been really lacking for a long time in comparison to something like Eclipse or IDEA (though I have no looked at the latest release)." Jason - would be really useful if you could feedback on what is lacking...also, it might be prudent to comment on the latest version. Its honest of you to admit you haven't looked at the latest release but JDeveloper is moving on at a great rate of knots and I despair when I hear comments passed on old versions - I could say the same about Eclipse or IDEA.
Next point : "Who cares about wizards and drag-and-drop " - tens of thousands of developers do!. Those coming from a VB, Forms and PeopleTools background find it ridiculous seeing developers write code for things they do using visual declarative tools - for alot of people coding in a 3GL manner is like going back to putting kids up chimneys - something that happened in the old days and we shouldn't go back to! ;o)
Would also welcome your clarification on "no you haven't been doing the same in JDeveloper..." if not, we've been pretty damn close ;o)
The "big whoop" comment that I made was specifically directed at the audience reaction to the NetBeans demonstration with drag-and-drop creation of ActiveRecord and a default (read pretty bare bones) web page. Yes, you are right bare-bones java doesn't have anything like ActiveRecord, but JDeveloper sure does - ADF Business Components. They've been around for 8+ years.
Thanks for the comment.
No deposit bez depozytu senza depozito free non depositare poker bonus free
do odbioru bonusu trzeba się spieszyć bo znikna z powierzchi ziemi
aktualne bonusy poker online free
poker texas lub także internetowy muszę napisać więcej unikalnego tekstu tutaj , bo mi się nudzi graj bez depozytu
online poker za free - sponsor
platforma promocyjna będzie dziś w bonusie bez deponowanym graj w omaha hold'em lub titan poker
bez depozytu bonus free full tilt wtop czyli world tour of poker aktualne zastawienie bonusów
-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-POKER-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-
bankroll $50 - INTERNATIONAL players
free no deposit bonus poker starting poker with no capital money
To be eligible to withdraw this bonuses or bankroll and Your winning You will have to play a minimum amount of raked hands at the poker room.
free poker money - online poker page free start up money
poker sign up actual free money
Complete list of the best actual free poker cash poker bankroll without requirments online site & pages free start up money for us.
Please note that this tool is not a 90% accurate but $50 representation of search engine algorithms of wsop poker and should not be used
free bankroll no deposit required
free bankroll no deposit cash required and best sponsor
Play poker online for free :)
costa rica fishing vacations
sport fishing in costa rica
costa rica fishing charters
costa rica deep sea fishing
costa rica fishing package
costa rica sport fishing
costa rica fishing tours
costa rica fishing lodge
costa rica fishing trips
fishing jaco costa rica
costa rica surf fishing
fishing in costa rica
tours of costa rica
costa rica fishing
saltwater fishing
offshore fishing
manuel antonio
salmon fishing
sport fishing
fishing guide
http://www.fishingcostaricaexperts.com
I would never find a better place to read as good comments as this site, never seen before, easy to find easy to understand, and it have serious comments not sick jokes as others, thanks and please keep like this. I would be pretty pleased if you as I do go to my links and maybe post a comment about what you think of mine. Great investment opportunity at Costa Rica
I loved every moment of our tour. Istanbul, cappadocia and ephesus are fantastic city. We saw so many historical places and guide was very informative. We definitely recommend it. http://www.packagetoursturkey.com - http://www.touroperatoristanbul.com We visited Istanbul for the first time on your tour turkey tours we are from Cappadocia tours Greece and we just loved it! istanbul tours We finally were able to see sights that we had only heard from our friends who visited I have to say that this trip was fantastic. I had a great time in Turkey. Everything went on very well actually much better than we expected istanbul travel Our guide was very friendly and ephesus tours he knew all details of history. Thanks for everything.
TTG Travel Agency is a leading travel agency and tour operator in istanbul Turkey with more than seven years of professional travel service. Because of our dedication and commitment to your needs istanbul travel we are able to offer you better quality of service at lower prices than other operators. http://www.istanbulhotels.com We provide hundreds of elaborately pre-designed Turkey tour packages, Turkey tours discounted, Guided turkey hotels and Turkey Tours, and we also provide customized travel service that is organized according to your specific needs and requirements http://www.istanbulhotels.com Our tours are professionally guided, intimate, and safe.
Some of it is not wanting to re-learn/re-train the fingers. It takes me quite a long time to get used to an environment and get it customized to my liking. Kazım Kartal Yeşilçam Sahnelerini bakmak
Post a Comment